Dough and Starter Calculator.

Just found this handy calculator.

Hope you find it handy too.
regards to all


You have answered my questions and more so FlourGirl. The only other direct contact I have with Germany is with the guy I order brotforms/bannetons from. He is based in Wermsdorf/Ortsteil Mahlis. Funnily enough, we have not talked about bread yet! Knowing what can be achieved and recognising when you have achieved it is a large part of baking, or any art process for that matter. Your exposure to German varieties of bread would have given you a language of bread that many do not have. A toast to inspired baking. Graham

Hi FlourGirl.

As artisan breads become more popular in Australia, some bread factories are trying to cash in on the reputation that small independent bakeries have created. Larger production bakeries tend to have a different philosophical base to the smaller bakeries (with some notable exceptions).

When you talked about the standard dropping in Germany, is it because bread is now being baked in factories where there is less of an "ethical artisan" approach and more of a "artisan by numbers" approach. ie. food technologists formulating artisan style bread rather than inspired artisans evolving a product with their knowledge, experience and personal artistic influences?

Professional German bakers appear to have a name and a technique for just about every style of traditional bread-making method. Have they got so damn good at making a traditional loaf "they way it should be made" that they have become bored with breadmaking? Are there fresh interpretations of the great German breads (in Germany), or perhaps these breads are so well-liked that they do not need re-interpreting?

(with apologies for all the generalisations in those questions)


This calculator looks very useful Bill. Thanks for the link. It also brings attention to the authors sourdough home page at [url][/url]

Samartha points to Hofpfisterei's bakery in Munich [url][/url] as being a major source of inspiration.


An interesting site indeed. Using the typical German Detmold 3 - stage feeding of the leaven. it's a well tested combination of temperature, times and starter hydrations to optimise the taste and activity of the starter (typical German having to define everything in so much detail


Every stage is supposed to support something different - one for the yeast, one for the mild lactobacilli. It was developed und published for bakeries in Germany.

The Hofpfisterei in Munich has a very good reputation. They are a (local) chain, but as opposed to most other chains they are organic and use natural leaven only (they state on their web site). Anybody I know who lives there is very happy with the breads they make.

When I was back home in Germany over Chrismas, I have to say that I was seriously disappointed how few bakeries still actually do the baking themselves and how poor the results of the other ones are. We do have a bread culture in Germany and it's a shame to see it so commercialised and quality going down.

cheers, -FlourGirl