Food producers call for action as grain prices soar
Lauren Etter and David Kesmodel | February 15, 2008
WITH the price of wheat and other grains soaring, US food producers are calling on the Government to help farmers ratchet up output.
Some are calling for loosening a federal conservation program that compensates growers for leaving fields fallow. Others are calling for restrictions on exports, an effort that is unlikely to gain traction but one that illustrates the depth of their concerns.
So far, the Government has resisted, but the growing chorus for government action signals a new phase in a long-term shift in the global grain markets.
For years, US farmers have complained about low prices brought on by overproduction. Now, surging demand from emerging nations and the biofuels industry have sent prices sharply higher.
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Anyone interested
by Danubian Australiahttp://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=234818
It's noticeable here in
by Jeremy United StatesCan you imagine, I am using whole wheat for desem now! I think I will mix in naked barley, Kamut and other grains as substitutes!
Jeremy
Yeah, well
by Danubian AustraliaBut I fear it's going to worse before it gets better.
is that for real? care to put more light on this?
i been always told that corn is good for you, especially if you have blood problems of any kind.
Bake Me !
Corn syrup for instance, I
by Jeremy United StatesJeremy
http://www.madisonmagazine.co
by Jeremy United StatesCorn is a soil depleting crop!
i'm still confused, how is it bad to have corn in your diet?
as for soil depleting, i believe that anything you plant is soil depleting, some more some less and if i were to blaim anyone or anything for soil depleting i would point finger at us people that are careless what they plant and where.
anyway i don't care about that one so much just interested to know why corn is bad for us.
Bake Me !
Let's see how the scale tips...
by TeckPohIn favour of corn....clicky.
Against corn...or rather corn syrup....clicky.
Yes, inventories
by Danubian Australiaas far as I can tell, are low, but currency debasement or depreciation is rife!
The phenomena of rising prices in monetary climates such as this are exacerbated by flows into tangibles. All fiat money is 'hot'; investors - corporate and other - are looking for profit, protection and value. The oscillation of money ebb and flow from one market to another, be they bond, commodity, security, or realestate, at the current speed is very destructive.
more 'paper' to buy the same goods
by Danubian AustraliaGold moving up in all currencies can mean only one thing ............. paper depreciation/debasement, (the real meaning of inflation), the real/proper meaning of the word inflation has been lost in the euphemistically used incorrect definitions peddled in the halls of government, higher learning, and banks, diseminated by through the media.
it will take more paper to buy the same goods; grain & bread included!
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So basically they are
by Jeremy United StatesSo basically they are ripping us off and reaping?
The fraud
by Danubian AustraliaIt's the end of the world as
by Jeremy United StatesNot by my watch
by Danubian AustraliaThere's no reliable way to predict how or when the fiat money unraveling will unfold, but unravel it surely will. That much is in the maths. Global debt, and derivative expopsure are a symbiotic pair, they grow in concert. There are only two alternatives left for the debt and derivative exposure to be dealt with, the third (paying it down) is no longer possible. The the two alternatives are 1. currency debasement (inflation and or hyperinflation), 2. default (deflation). Both will shake off the debt incubus in different ways but the end result is the same, the tower will come down.
The purpose of posting the chart was not to predict ".....the end of the world as we know it", but to show that real goods and services - meal, grain, bread, etc. - has been and will continue to rise in price, not because they are becoming 'more expensive' but because our money is being debased.
So while global grain inventories are low they don't explain the 50% increase in grain prices over the last three months, especially since there have been 'up-limits' placed regularly over that time on major American commodity exchanges. Something else is having a profound impact. The up movement of gold, which is the same as saying, the down movement of paper money, over the last seven years tells the real tale. More specifically, last nights chart shows that every paper currency is losing its purchasing power.
So is globalization a
by Jeremy United StatesTaking the scam global
by Danubian AustraliaGlobalisation means consolidation and extension of the scam, dollar hegemony if you like. Globalisation has provided the dollar with a new market; had globalisation not been allowed the dollar scam would have been wiped out earlier. But there is plenty more sinsiter going on, the scam is really a trap! Time is running out for the dollar scam, now before the end governments allow private hands (read transnational corporations) to exchange their worthless paper and electronic dollars for real public assets all over the world at the expense of those communities who own them. Privatise the asset and the ongoing value while leaving the liability to the public.
In short, globalisation is globalising the massive transfer of wealth into fewer powerful private hands.
To say "globalisation" is a mistake depends on your perspective; I'm sure the perpetrators of the scam wouldn't have it any other way.
Too fast, slow down? The speed isn't the problem, its the paradigm. But it's too late for this one, the transfer has largely occured and the liability is about to be handed down.
Revolutions, or what to
by Jeremy United StatesTony
Revolution, not likely, nor desirable
by Danubian AustraliaOh yes, scape goats will be found to divert our attention but you can bet things will largely be done with subterfuge. But Lincoln's dictum still stands. Lets hope enough this time will see through the scam.
Tony, you've missed the point
by Danubian AustraliaWhatever the causes, some people exploit the situation and they should be called on it. The big picture surely matters but at the local level, where I and others bake and live, I managed to save $5 a bag (for now). That means my bread is more accessible to more people, which is good. I guess I could hide behind the crisis and raise prices even higher but don't feel right with that. I'm making Just a small (significant) point, but felt compelled to make it. I can't change the big picture, but small local actions can hopefully "trickle up".
PS: I'm never this optimistic, just thought I'd try it on!
Tony
Yes, but you ...
by Danubian AustraliaTony, I was referring to this statement quoted above.
I can appreciate what you're saying, and the warning you are passing on to others to beware is valid.
Yes inventories have moved lower but it's not "scaricity" but any stretch of the imagination. However, it's clear that lower inventories haven't impacted on grain prices nearly as much as currency debasement. If you want to test my assertion just cast an eye over the CRB Index, an indicator of all commodities, and you'll find it has been steadily rising and it's up year on year. It's not just grain, but all commodities.
However, the most tell tale indicator is the movement of gold. When it rises in terms of the USD that's one thing, but when it is rising in terms of every major currency that is entirely another matter, it couldn't be more conclusive.
And the USD is well in the
by Jeremy United StatesThe very nature of the "fiat" dollar whether US or Australian
by Danubian AustraliaWhen I get the time, I'll post to this thread some details of exactly how the scam works in practice so it'll be plain to see how we are being fleeced. Those in debt especially, but even those not in debt need to pay attention because you're being tapped by vampires whether you're aware of it or not.
Seigniorage
by Danubian AustraliaTo demonstrate; at the heart of the current "fiat" system the elite (read Central banks, money centre banks, and governments) fleece us through "seingniorage" and debt creation. This is unnoticed by most, I'd reckon only one man in a million can see the victimisation. We are being fleeced in more ways but this is at the heart.
So, what is Seigniorage?
Let me quote from AE Fekete an amusing story of the Henry The VIII of England.
From his paper called the Tale of the Fourth Lie
You may well ask how this applies to modern money? Surely our governments and banks don't clip our money? Oh yes they do!
Central banks print notes that circulate as money. When the Central Bank issues the notes its value is only derived from the act of acceptance by the citizens of that nation, not by the act of issuance. It's the acceptance that gives them their face value. As convention all citizens accept the paper at their face value. In order to accept those notes all citizens, individual and corporate, have exchanged real goods and services to the value of 100$. This is the same as saying we've earned the money. It's the acceptance of those notes that gives them value, as the act of acceptance entails exchange of real goods and services.
Lets be generous and assume the paper and the ink cost for every 100$ bill amounted to 10$ of value, that would mean that 90$ of value from every 100$ note seems unaccounted for. But not so it is extracted from citizens and appropriated to the bank. Seigniorage of 90% is the same as saying 90% of the value you produce is taken away from you surreptitiously, but only 10% is left to you.
Further, when money is digital as most is now the production cost of 100$ is smaller still, indeed perhaps only 2%. This means that the appropriation is now 98% of value. Every time we use this money we allow our pockets to be plundered, our hard work in exchange for a plate of beans.
To add insult to injury, we who give these notes value are made to pay interest on our own created value!
The fact that very few, perhaps one in a million, ever question this inappropriate privilege reveals that this ignorant acceptance has become part of modern discourse.
More in a few weeks.
Wha...?
by TeckPohThe economist profession
by Danubian Australiacrops for fuel
by tony dench from...Thought this was an interesting, albeit quirky article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7284011.stm
That's a very interesting piece
by Danubian AustraliaThanks for posting this. Strange how many of us have become sufficiently removed from food production (the word 'production' seems to have taken on a commercial or industrial dimension and never applied to domestic instances which illustrates the point) to instill a lack of confidence or inability to see the possibilities. But to be self sufficient now that the need is on the horizon would deffinately have a positive impact on our daily lives.
From here
The movement of money into commodities to preserve value
by Danubian AustraliaThe rest is HERE
Relying too heavily on foreign food supply for domestic needs.
by Danubian AustraliaFood fears: Being a rich nation is no protection for Japan, which faces the fallout of relying too heavily on foreign food to supply domestic needs.
MARIKO Watanabe admits she could have chosen a better time to take up baking. This week, when the Tokyo housewife visited her local Ito-Yokado supermarket to buy butter to make a cake, she found the shelves bare.
"I went to another supermarket, and then another, and there was no butter at those either. Everywhere I went there were notices saying Japan has run out of butter. I couldn't believe it — this is the first time in my life I've wanted to try baking cakes and I can't get any butter," said the frustrated cook.
Japan's acute butter shortage, which has confounded bakeries, restaurants and now families across the country, is the latest unforeseen result of the global agricultural commodities crisis.
A sharp increase in the cost of imported cattle feed and a decline in milk imports, both of which are typically provided in large part by Australia, have prevented dairy farmers from keeping pace with demand.
While soaring food prices have triggered rioting among the starving millions of the third world, in wealthy Japan they have forced a pampered population to contemplate the shocking possibility of a long-term — perhaps permanent — reduction in the quality and quantity of its food.
A 130% rise in the global cost of wheat in the past year, caused partly by surging demand from China and India and a huge injection of speculative funds into wheat futures, has forced the Government to hit flour millers with three rounds of stiff mark-ups. The latest — a 30% increase this month — has given rise to speculation that Japan, which relies on imports for 90% of its annual wheat consumption, is no longer on the brink of a food crisis, but has fallen off the cliff.
According to one government poll, 80% of Japanese are frightened about what the future holds for their food supply.
Last week, as the prices of wheat and barley continued their relentless climb, the Japanese Government discovered it had exhausted its ¥230 billion ($A2.37 billion) budget for the grains with two months remaining. It was forced to call on an emergency ¥55 billion reserve to ensure it could continue feeding the nation.
The rest is hereSome are calling for loosening a federal conservation program that compensates growers for leaving fields fallow. Others are calling for restrictions on exports, an effort that is unlikely to gain traction but one that illustrates the depth of their concerns.
So far, the Government has resisted, but the growing chorus for government action signals a new phase in a long-term shift in the global grain markets.
For years, US farmers have complained about low prices brought on by overproduction. Now, surging demand from emerging nations and the biofuels industry have sent prices sharply higher.
The price of wheat, just the weather?!
by Danubian AustraliaThats strange I have been
by LeadDogThats strange I have been paying the same price for wheat for the last two years.
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