Off the grid energy @ minimal cost

Danubian's picture
Danubian
Worth watching.

This would be a wonderful thing to see in production; but I hope these blokes have their affairs in order, because they just bought a ticket to an accidental death if they don’t agree to sell this thing. They need to post the plans on the internet so it’s in the public domain before something tragic happens. I guess that another story!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M
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Graham's picture
Graham 2008 April 22
Wow. We have seen this type of claim before but this inventor appears credible (even with the tabloid reportage style).

Presumably the generator could also power some of the processes that are neeeded to make more generators? Such as powering the mining/tooling equipment necessary to build the steel casing and magnets?

Incredible Danubian. I also hope they get a chance to prove themselves. But in the back of my head I wonder if it really is possible...
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Danubian 2008 April 22
[quote=Graham]Wow. We have seen this type of claim before but this inventor appears credible (even with the tabloid reportage style). [/quote]

Thought you might like the source. ;)

[quote=Graham]Presumably the generator could also power some of the processes that are neeeded to make more generators? Such as powering the mining/tooling equipment necessary to build the steel casing and magnets?

Incredible Danubian. I also hope they get a chance to prove themselves. But in the back of my head I wonder if it really is possible...
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Yes, the implications for liberty, the environment, and those vested interests who would see this fail are enormous.  

Reminds me of Edwin Gray's motor, even the description is similar. Gray died not long after he went public with his invention and took crittical infomation with him to the grave. Who knows maybe he really did have a heart attack.
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SourYumMum 2008 April 22
Hi Y'all,

Just dropping by ... this piqued my interest as my husband is a physicist.  I showed him the video ... and he said in a rather smartypants manner:

"The patent literature is full of 'perpetual motion machines' but this one appears to go one better and MAKES energy."  "You can't extract more energy than is input in the first place .... unless it is perhaps sucking energy from the cosmos or something ..." at which point he sauntered off with a beer, snorting and guffawing.

In fairness, he conceded that they MAY have "been misrepresented by the idiots at Today Tonight including that renowned physicist, Naomi Robson!"  She left the show at least a year ago anyway.

"If they have been misrepresented and it is, in fact, some manner of electric motor the best they could have done is improve it's efficiency, but you still can't get out more than you put in."

Geez being married to a scientist can be disappointing!

As he sauntered off with the above-mentioned beer (which I made, by the way) he said sagely, "The universe does not offer a free lunch!  Conservation of energy is THE MOST BASIC RULE in the universe and THAT'S THAT!" 

Sure it is.  Half an hour from now he'll come back and say, "And FURTHER MORE ...."

Night night you lot.




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TeckPoh 2008 April 22
[quote=SourYumMum]
It didn't even take half an hour.

Maybe 4 minutes.


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As long as your visit. Hrrmppphhh!

Can we make you stay and talk about Bread....among other things? ;)
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Jeremy 2008 April 22
Carol, It's a pleasure to see you back if only for a second, do post the beer recipe as bread and beer are cousins, one liquid the other solid!
Danubian's picture
Danubian 2008 April 22
[quote=SourYumMum]Hi Y'all,
 "You can't extract more energy than is input in the first place .... unless it is perhaps sucking energy from the cosmos or something ..."

In fairness, he conceded that they MAY have "been misrepresented by the idiots at Today Tonight including that renowned physicist, Naomi Robson!"  She left the show at least a year ago anyway.
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I'm not a physicist and my understanding of physics is pretty limited but the only way I can understand something even remotely workable is as an 'open system' of collection and conversion. A bit like tuning into radio frequencies, but in this case tuned into electro-magnetic fequencies.

However, I sent the link to my brother-in-law. He in turn sent it to his brother, Mike, who sent back this reply; I quote verbatim:

[quote]I sent the link to my brother Mike and here is his reply.

"I have seen this machine - I was asked by the inventor, Mr Victor John Christie, to examine, and write a report on the waveforms produced by the machine. I designed an electronic commutator for one of their prototypes, but alas, if failed to perform to their expectations.

I was not able to put my name to their words, and wrote a report on exactly what I had seen. I did not draw any conclusions from my observations, as they wished me to do, and I could not understand their mathematical derivation of power produced!

Have I missed out on involvement in the greatest invention in the world, or was I not sucked in by the gobledy gook that John and Lu sprayed around? They claim that it will be running (powering a house) in a year, The original prototype has been around for several years, why is it not powering a house now? Could it have anything to do with the rumour I have heard that investment funds for the device are being send directly to an overseas bank account in the name of Christie, and not Lutec, the name of the company?

Thinking outside the square is good - but not all ideas are good -

Mike[/quote]

Of course, it doesen't prove anything but it was an interesting reply.
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SourYumMum 2008 April 23
This story actually goes back a few years ... I guess we can expect it to pop up again!

Here's a grab from the Sceptics website where it was awarded a "Bent Spoon":

Bent Spoon Winner

The winners of the annual Skeptics Bent Spoon award (presented to the "perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of pseudoscientific piffle") for 2001 was announced at the Australian Skeptics National Convention in Brisbane on November 10.

The winners were the proponents of the Lutec Free Energy Generator, John Christie and Lou Brits of Cairns, for the most concerted campaign to market the invention least likely to fulfil its promises.

Their generator, claimed to produce 30 times more output than input, was slated to solve the world's energy crisis.

The proponents set up an entire infrastructure: World Patents, numbered bank account, elaborate business plan, closed demonstrations to investors, and promises of franchises. Media exposure included newspaper, TV, US radio, and Internet sites.

Information provided by the proponents included glowing references from an alleged international technology company (actually one created by the promoters themselves).

This award owes much to the technical and investigative skills of Skeptical engineer, Ian Bryce, whose detailed reports in the Skeptic (21:3 and the following item in this issue) show how, despite many difficulties, he exposed the truth: the theoretical basis of the device is fatally flawed and the patents worthless. The prototype's actual output power is 33% of its input.

Jeremy ... I'm cheating on the beer, I'm using a kit!  But it produces real beer.  I don't actually drink beer, I make GINGER BEER!  Hubby gets the other stuff.

We have moved house, not far just to an acreage so I can grow more stuff and have chooks.  Personally a rough time since last September ... but we're intact and good!  (Lost my mum suddenly on Boxing Day in a fairly shocking way, thought I was losing my hubby last September ... but turns out it only LOOKED like it!)

Only thing I've baked recently is Macadamia White Chocolate Biscuits.  Mighty yummy though!  Will get back to the bread.  I am proud that you all taught me how to make delicious bread from flour and water!

:)  Carol.
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SourYumMum 2008 April 23
Hi Graham,

Dr Hubby says ... basically ... that it still requires an initial energy input,  ie. giving it a poke with his finger.

I asked why it wouldn't keep going even with a little kick-start because it looks perfectly logical to me ... and the reason is that no matter how good the spindle it is rotating on, and a hard drive one is very good, it WILL eventually stop because of friction.


To get energy out of anything, uses energy.  Electricity from coal burning comes from heat.  Electricity from solar comes from heat.  Electricity from wind comes from ... wind.  The closest thing we have to free energy is sun and wind.  But you are still reliant upon them doing their job.  No sun/no wind - no energy.

Pete suggests we send this one to the Mythbusters!

Gotta go to work ... at least until I invent a free energy machine!

:)
Graham's picture
Graham 2008 April 23
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The closest thing we have to free energy is sun and wind...

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Graham's picture
Graham 2008 April 23

Some kind of crazy training or Sourdough Shop voucher to the first person that can generate electricity from a sourdough leaven.
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celia 2008 April 23
See, now this conversation is going to get scatological.  Just how much gas does sourdough bread produce in the digestive system ? ;)

I have a friend who's trying to work in sourdough baking with marathon running - he's trying to run a marathon totally on his own baked breads.

Carol, Mythbusters have already done a show on "free energy", and yep, you guessed it, they reckon it can't be done..

Celia
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SourYumMum 2008 April 23
Don't worry, before I left for work this morning, I said to Dr Hubby, "Can you PLEEEEAAASE invent a perpetual motion machine so that I never have to go to work again?"

He said, "Can't be done."

Fair enough, but why can't he invent something simple like Post-It notes, or Liquid Paper, or Velcro ... or some other stupid thing that no-one has thought of yet and make a motza!!!

Celia ... I reckon my pea and ham soup would be a superb energy source once 'tapped'!

Here's a nice one though:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=219...

TP ... have you got new temptations on your website for me to ogle?

Jeremy ... an old boyfriend once said to me, "Beer IS Food!"

xx
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Danubian 2008 April 28
Came across this site which is pretty interesting, Tom Bearden already holds a patent for a MEG.

[url]http://www.cheniere.org/[/url]

[IMG]http://www.cheniere.org/images/Fig%207-1aa.jpg[/IMG]
[B]
 The Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG)[/B]

Has produced up to 100 times more power than was input, by extracting free energy from the vacuum.  The MEG has been independently constructed, and its overunity performance independently replicated, by other researchers.  [url=http://www.cheniere.org/references/MEG_Patent.pdf]US Patent awarded March 26, 2002.[/url] Invented by Tom Bearden and four colleagues.
Croc 2008 April 30

[quote=Graham][quote]

The closest thing we have to free energy is sun and wind...

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oh there is a lot more "free" energy out there.

magnetic energy will be harvested and converted in not so distant future.

it is a lot better option then wind and solar because is not affected by weather, magnetic energy never stops.

sure, those guys from QLD seem like all they care is to find some investors to grab some quick money and in my opinion that "doco" was typical example of "pay for comment" rubish not to mention it make them look as if they invented this idea which is nothing more but rude in my opinion.

as for not being possible because of a friction is incorrect because magnetic energy is constantly delievered to such device so is not as if we looking something out of nothing.

this is NOT perpetuum mobile, this is device harvesting magnetic energy.

 

Croc 2008 April 30

[quote=SourYumMum]Hi Graham,

Dr Hubby says ... basically ... that it still requires an initial energy input,  ie. giving it a poke with his finger.

I asked why it wouldn't keep going even with a little kick-start because it looks perfectly logical to me ... and the reason is that no matter how good the spindle it is rotating on, and a hard drive one is very good, it WILL eventually stop because of friction.


To get energy out of anything, uses energy.  Electricity from coal burning comes from heat.  Electricity from solar comes from heat.  Electricity from wind comes from ... wind.  The closest thing we have to free energy is sun and wind.  But you are still reliant upon them doing their job.  No sun/no wind - no energy.

Pete suggests we send this one to the Mythbusters!

Gotta go to work ... at least until I invent a free energy machine!

:)
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your hubby is wrong

1. as i said in my last post, nobody is talking about perpetuum mobile here.

2. friction is nothing more but some enegery lost in process during harvest, it is NOT show stoper (unless you building perpetuum mobile, which IS impossible, nobody is questioning this), output is reduced that is all as long input is greater.

3. there is more then one technology to harvest solar energy is not just heat, other one is called photovoltaic.

4. ask your hubby how on earth he can mention wind/solar sources yet he ignores magnetic source?!?!?! why not add to this list no magnetic fields - no energy.

5. mythbusters are useless.

make sure you past on the message :)

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SourYumMum 2008 April 30
Indeed Croc, photovoltaic (the department my husband did his doctorate in at Sydney University), geothermal (which is quite promising and being researched here at Newcastle University) ... and many Australian scientists are working on all of these alternative technologies.  Google Dr David Mills, former Sydney scientist who has set up a company in the US (where he was funded for his research, unlike here in Australia) and have a look at the AMAZING work his company, Ausra, is doing.  What a shame Australia lost him.

As for the 'free-energy' machines, of course if it was that easy (or possible) you would think someone would have made an effective one by now.  Or do you subscribe to the conspiracy theories that 'big business' and the 'oil companies' are putting a lid on these clever new inventions to make sure they never see the light of day and we consumers continue to have to pay them (the baddies!) increasingly vast sums of money for their carbon-based products.

The internet is FULL of folks who claim to have made them, they don't work.




Graham's picture
Graham 2008 April 30

We agree that a smaller amount of energy can be generated from a larger amount of energy. Energy from magnets/magnetism is possible providing there is a greater amount of energy from the source (magnets/ism) than there is from the output. A loss occurs during energy conversion.

For instance if this device was ever shown to function it does not necessarily mean that the energy is 'free' or perpetual. It simply means that the energy in the magnets is greater than that which is required to power the device.

Croc says that magnetic energy can be harvested just like other more common sources of energy. I'm sure there are plenty of old compasses that would agree.

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celia 2008 April 30

My other half the electrical engineer just said exactly the same thing.  The law of conservation of energy has never been disproven - you can't create (nor destroy) energy, it can only be converted from one form to another.

It would be lovely (but idealistic) to believe otherwise...
Croc 2008 April 30

those are your words or your husband's? i find it very odd that someone educated in this field would reject magnetic energy harvesting as possibility, sure it might not be perfect yet but it is very clear that it is possible. quite disturbing for someone with such background to make such claims, unless they give doctorates left right and centre at sydney university (which with curent state of aussie educational system wouldn't shock me)

as for conspiracy theories, going by what we seen in past you would have to be extremly NAIVE not to question big business and our goverments, most of them have dirty hands and history is our witness, many many times so what make you think this would be different, and considering how enormus would be consequences to human race if such device was developed one can only imagine what is going to surround such development.

 

Croc 2008 April 30

[quote=celia]
My other half the electrical engineer just said exactly the same thing.  The law of conservation of energy has never been disproven - you can't create (nor destroy) energy, it can only be converted from one form to another.

It would be lovely (but idealistic) to believe otherwise...
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your other half is ignoring very important facts here, as i said in other posts, nobody is talking about perpetuum mobile, we are not trying to disprove law of conservation of energy.

harvesting magnetic energy is not only lovely but also very realistic, question here is not IF it possible but HOW to do it.

way i see it, anyone with big diplomas to their name claiming otherwise should use their diplomas to light up BBQ.

 

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celia 2008 April 30

All the best to you, Croc, I hope you prove us all wrong ! :)

Pax, Celia
Croc 2008 April 30

[quote=celia]
All the best to you, Croc, I hope you prove us all wrong ! :)

Pax, Celia
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go to your local camping store and ask to see compas, there you go you just been proven wrong.

i will send you lighter so you can torch that diploma.

 

celia's picture
celia 2008 April 30

Thank you for being so gracious.  It's been a pleasure having a civilized discussion with you. 

:)


Croc 2008 April 30

and snobbing off whole discusion when faced with FACTS that clearly don't agree with you is civilized?  

 

 


 

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SourYumMum 2008 April 30
Thanks Celia!  :)

Croc, perhaps it is something that is lost in the translation, but they were my words, not my husband's.  I wouldn't dare subject him to comments as rude and disrespectful as I found yours to be!

You can join the free energy brigade and invest your money in it as hard as you like.  Good luck, you'll need it.

I will be the first to congratulate you when you prove the scientific world to be wrong.

Santa Claus will be second.


Croc 2008 April 30

with posts like this you trying to point a finger at me and call me rude? you can't be serious.

last i checked we were in open chat forum, if you don't like people pointing out some incorrect ideas you posted why you taking part in such discusion? do you only like to chat with people that agree with you regardless if you right or wrong?

if those words were yours and not your husband then please ask him what he things about harvesting magnetic energy, any worthy scientist with half a clue will tell you that it is real thing and only quesion is how to do it.

if he is going to claim otherwise i make sure to send that lighter by express post.

as for proving wrong scientific world being wrong, you are the one is trying to do that not me with claims that magnetic energy is as real as santa claus.

and for the last time it is NOT FREE ENERGY

anyway you are clearly only looking for people to agree with you because nobody sane can disagree with what i said.

 

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Graham 2008 April 30

From my spot in Queensland I can see many points of view that sometimes overlap but do not necessarily merge together. In this case everybody has actually agreed that magnetic energy is not free (or at least that is my perception).

Magnetic energy is real (compasses) but as yet is not effectively harvested. Magnetic energy may never be effectively harvested...but then again maybe it will be in the future. Perhaps that is all we need to say?

This is probably an appropriate time to wind up this thread, perhaps with a view to open up another one down the track. I shall close the thread shortly. There is a brief window for cuddles or other affirmative gestures.

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